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HenryG asks: Who’d take over if Dave is forced to quit?

July 18th, 2011

Should you follow Mike’s 33/1 David Davis bet

There’s increased speculation from Iain Dale and The Telegraph that David Cameron may end up quitting over the fallout from his relations to Coulson, Brooks and Murdoch. It’s worth considering who might takeover as leader of the Conservatives. The specific nature of this crisis hasn’t been reflected in the betting markets yet. I believe there is one candidate representing outstanding value.

Let’s look at the frontrunners. Boris Johnson at 4/1. Isn’t even an MP. He may lose the London mayoral contest. Or win. Either way I can’t see him being in the right place to challenge for leadership in the next 4 years. He’s not a contender.

Next up is George Osborne at 6s. There’s a reason why George didn’t go for the leadership the last time – just as there was a reason why Brown didn’t go for it in ’94. Crucially he is said to be the one person that reportedly pressed Cameron to employ Coulson. If the Prime Minister goes down then Osborne is harmed too.

Hague is at a similar price. Having lost an election as leader ten years ago it would be an extraordinary situation if he returned to that position. Since then there has been one or two question marks about his personal life and judgement relating to that. However unfair they may be, I get a sense of a guy who doesn’t want to go back to a position of immense media scrutiny. The chance to be PM however (albeit without a general election) may make him think twice and appeal to his sense of history. With his Euro-sceptic reputation gone, I’m not sure whether there’d be much of a market for him.

Michael Gove, 10/1. He has the ambition but has not always looked sure-footed through the last year. My gut reaction is that he could well run, but he’ll struggle to connect with the public. He could become the ‘moderniser’s candidate’, but it’s hard to imagine how he could succeed where Cameron failed. A former Times journalist might not be what’s required right now.

Jeremy Hunt, 10/1. He has been one of the big losers of the last two weeks. His parliamentary performances have been flaky and if this crisis does cost Cameron then he’s the last person the party should turn – especially given his role and past praise for Murdoch.
Rory Stewart (14/1) is a remarkable man and someone I admire greatly. In parliamentary terms he’s still a novice and would be a huge risk. He’s not been without his mis-haps since he was elected.

Liam Fox at 16/1 is reasonable given he’s run for leader in the past. But his enemies list has grown over the last year and I’m sure if he ran there’d be a desire from some quarters for ‘anyone but Fox’.

Priti Patel is my long-term tip for the future. She’s now 33/1 but again is untried. She may be tempted by a dry run.

The obvious candidate to take over however is David Davis who Mike Smithson backed at 33/1 with Ladbrokes overnight . Someone who resigned his seat on civil liberties grounds would be the ideal antidote for a phone-hacking scandal. His down-to-Earth charm is in striking contrast to Cameron’s polished but ‘born to rule’ persona. It’s hard to imagine Davis going horse riding with Rebekah Brooks over Christmas isn’t it?

Davis is not without his faults, but he has his support base and crucially has taken a principled stance in a way Cameron and his colleagues never would. His background is a stark contrast. This could be his moment.

Who knows what will come of this crisis. If you think there’s a chance Cameron could go in the next two years over this affair, then David Davis is the guy to back. If things continue to get out of hand for Cameron then the price on Davis could soon look ten times too big.

HenryG Manson @henrygmanson




  • The Screaming Eagles

    Wonderful Cressida Dick to take temporary charge now.

  • MrJones

    572 “Do you think they will re-open ‘cash for honours’ – which Yates closed down?”

    Two Blairs. Menezes. Cash for government policy disguised as cash for honours. Who knows what might turn up.

  • Tim B

    David Herdson @588:

    Odds on Murdoch & Son lasting the week?

     

    I think that depends on how this all develops stateside. News International is small beer to NewsCorp.

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    Boris up next

  • oldnat

    Tim B @534:

    a disworship

     
    There must be a term of venery for those reading their way through the lists compiled in the Book of St Albans to quote them on PB. :-)

  • Richard Tyndall

    589

    “Wonderful Cressida Dick to take temporary charge now.”

    Brazilians everywhere start looking worried. :-(

  • Slackbladder

    589: Cressida Dick??

    Yeah..no marks over her name..

    Is there anyone in the Met not dodgy in one way or another now?

  • Ann

    Can hear the sound of scaffolding being put up whilst Joey Jones (SKY) is broadcasting. Is there going to be a hanging on the green tomorrow? It’s the only thing left in this ridiculous media saga.

  • Tim B

    oldnat @593:

    There must be a term of venery for those reading their way through the lists compiled in the Book of St Albans to quote them on PB

     

    - or the Wiki of Pedia ;-)

  • The Screaming Eagles

    594/595 – She’s going to be in charge of Olympic Security as well.

    Huzzah! I think we’ll have more dead innocent civilians shot by the Met police during the Olympics, than we’ll win Gold Medals.

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    KeirSimmonsITV Keir Simmons
    Met Police Authority announces it decided to suspend John Yates at a meeting this morning. They informed him earlier today.

    Perfectly understandable why Yates resigned rather than the humiliation of being sent into suspension exile.

    Oh FFS Crick just asked Boris if Cameron should resign.

  • paulp

    540 Roger, I think tim should be elected poster of the century and then the competition should be shut-down in honour of the amazing job he does.

  • James M

    598 – Not sure she is directly in charge of Olmypics Security. There is a seperate ACC with that responsibility.

  • oldnat

    Tim B @597:

    or the Wiki of Pedia

     
    But my dear, chap, a gentleman would never demean himself by referring to a source that he cannot personally verify in a text in his own library (or preferably, the library wing).

  • Marquee Mark

    Cressida Dick didn’t give the order to pull the triggers.

    That came from higher up.

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    Marquee Mark @603

    She was Gold Command that day. IIRC.

  • taffy

    On what basis is Yates resigning? On the basis he wanted to investigate burglary and blagging over phone hacking?

  • The Screaming Eagles

    601 – Assistant Commissioner Cressida Dick is going to stand in for Assistant Commissioner John Yates in his counter terrorism and Olympics role -

    From the paywall.

  • NoOffenceAlan

    544. “Being compeltely wrong on any fundemental issue should be a factor in any leadership candidate.”
    UKIP would require a new leader every week.

  • The Screaming Eagles

    605 – He was told he was going to be suspended over his links with ex NI employees.

    He decided to resign rather than endure the humiliation of gardening leave.

  • Marquee Mark

    604 Plato – I know of what I speak…

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    Hugo Dixon
    Hugodixon Hugo Dixon
    by AllisterHeath
    #Breakingviews stress test shows 27 banks fail (not 8) and need E26bn (not E2.5bn) bit.ly/oRALLp (subscribers) #greekcrisis

  • taffy

    610. So Europe’s banking system may be about to crash….but hey, what did Andy Coulson KNOW???

  • tim

    Boris doing detail is even worse than Dave.

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    Marquee Mark @609
    Your house guest ;)

    Ian Blair didn’t know until the next day…

  • The Screaming Eagles

    Baroness D’Souza has been elected Lord Speaker

  • The Watcher

    603 ‘That came from higher up.’

    Toe Knee?

  • Richard Tyndall

    607

    As would all the political parties. They are all as bad as each other and all led by intellectual midgets.

  • runnymede

    613. ‘accountable but not responsible’ w***er

  • http://hopisen.wordpress.com Hopi Sen

    556. Thanks. Interesting take. From my POV, since the mayor was apparently told he was a potential victim of hacking attempts, he surely knew it was more than just celebs, and yet chose to downplay hacking case as political attack.

    That was surely at least a hint to the police about how the Mayor and his deputy, the Chair of the MPA, felt the whole thing should be handled.

    Look at the date of BJ’s remarks – September 2010, well after allegations that NOTW hacking was much wider that just Mulcaire and co. Is Johnson demanding action? Is he heck….

    So for him to turn around now and use all this to further seperate himself from Cameron strikes me as a cheap shot. But still, if Tory memebers like it…

    (of course, the stories of payments to police are not new at all – News Intl mentioned they did it ages ago, and I expect lot do. What was new was evidence Coulson personally authorised them for quite a lot of money for specific information, rather than it being an occassional informal backhander kind of thing. And the Millie Dowler stuff, while very shocking isn’t _legally_ much different to what we knew before, surely? )

  • tim

    Here comes the Afopalypse.

    @paulwaugh
    Paul Waugh
    Boris can’t resist dumping Cam in it. Says Qs about Cameron quitting “must be directed to the Government”.

  • http://none weathercock

    Boris Johnson as now got rid of, directly or indirectly, 2 Met police commissioners and one deputy commissioner.

    Boris for PM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The only man of action the tories have got. :lol:

  • James M

    Ok, I am going off the MET’s website, which lists another ACC as head of olympics security. Perhaps ACC Dick ranks over that other ACC.

  • Dyed Woolie

    610 plato
    At least 20 banks only passed the tier 1 capital ratio test because they raised funds in Q1 knowing the test was due

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    fieldproducer Neal Mann
    RT @SkyNewsBreak: Lord Grabiner to be Chairman of News International’s Management and Standards Committee. #NewsInt #Phonehacking

  • Tim B

    James M @621:

    ACC Dick

     

    I suppose it’s too much to hope for that her first name is Lotta ;-)

  • trevors den

    tim repeats endless waffle but OGH seems not to want to publish my posts.
    how many others in the same boat.

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    Norman Smith takes over from LauraK at BBC

  • MrJones

    607 “UKIP would require a new leader every week.”

    More w**k from people who were totally wrong about the Euro and won’t admit how wrong they were.

  • Seth O. Logue

    581 Richard Tyndall

    And how exactly do you propose they do that? Given that, as you say, production has been dropping since 1999 how do you expect the oil companies to turn this around and suddenly magic extra production out of thin air.

    You clearly know more about the industry than I do, Richard, but it seems you want to argue both ways.

    You claim that the ‘Osborne’ tax is causing output to reduce further than it would have done otherwise, at the same time as claiming that oil companies can’t “magic extra production out of thin air”. To a non-industry outsider these two positions appear contradictory and mutually exclusive.

    I do however find interesting your comment that the government for whatever reason (which may be perfectly valid I don’t know) do not want to expand production. I would be even more interested if you were to speculate on the reasons for this.

    Not an attack, Richard, just a confession of confusion.

  • Sandy Rentool

    525. What’s happening to Laura?

  • taffy

    626. YOU would think that a situation such as this would be tailor-made for UKIP to make strides. But they won’t.

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    Did Boris make a reference re hacking and the Mirror?

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    Sandy Rentool @628

    She’s heading up ITV business news IIRC

  • Jack W

    News Corp shares down another 4% on Wall Street opening.

  • Marquee Mark

    624 Ophelia…..

  • tim

    David Cameron now in to 12/1 as next out with Ladbrokes.

  • The Screaming Eagles

    628 -She’s off to work for ITV.

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    Boris is getting a rough time in this pressa – its become about him rather than Yates. Bit messy.

  • MrJones

    629 Probably right. Television era politics you need friendly media or you’re dead in the water no matter who’s right or not.

  • paulp

    afopalypse. brilliant tim!

  • Richard Nabavi

    Hopi Sen @618

    You’re speaking with hindsight, though. As Boris says in that article, the whole affair ‘seems to be a case that has been very substantially investigated by all sorts of bodies’, which was true. What we now know, but didn’t then, is that those investigations were flawed.

    Part of the trouble was that the Guardian and others were transparently trying to use the issue as a smear they could use against Cameron (and still are, of course), rather than just being douggy campaigners for truth. Boris was right on that point, even though I expect he is telling the truth when he says he warned Cameron about the political dangers of the Coulson angle.

  • fitalass

    Plato @630

    Plato, was that just now?

  • Southam Observer

    Poor old Mr Malthouse. Every time the camera panned out you could see him squirming over good old Boris’s answers.

    That is why Boris doesn’t do press conferences.

  • Richard Tyndall

    627

    “To a non-industry outsider these two positions appear contradictory and mutually exclusive.”

    Not at all. You were claiming that somehow the tax was a clever ruse to get the operators to increase production. Since all that would happen if Osborne reversed his decision is that (at best) production woudl return to where it was before his tax it would have been a completely pointless ruse.

    On the question of licencing as I said in my original posting I can’t pretend to understand why the givernment limits the areas released under new licencing rounds. I know that in Norway they do so for a whole host of reasons including environmental and infrastructure reasons, particularly where the sensitive Barents Sea plays are concerned but I have no idea why there are such limitations put on UK licencing rounds beyond the idea of perhaps keeping the value of those new licences up by gradual release.

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    ChrisMasonBBC Chris Mason
    Statement from the Prime Minister expected in the Commons at 1130 on Wednesday.

  • The Screaming Eagles

    Reaction to the latest phone hacking scalp starts to roll in. Ian Pointon, chairman of the Kent Police Federation, tweets: “Stephenson & Yates gone under elected mayor – God help us if this is a an example of “non-political” PCCs!”

  • Sandy Rentool

    631/635. Thanks both.

    So just the latest move on the TV journo/presenter merry-go-round.

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    fitalass @640

    Yes – it wasn’t clear what he meant.

  • tim

    641 – He’s worse than Dave.
    Quite an achievement.

    Osborne is in a safe house, May looks more competent than these three.

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    The Screaming Eagles @644

    Kent Fed aren’t terribly representative of the other regions IIRC. Very shouty.

  • Richard Nabavi

    The Screaming Eagles @644

    At last we are seeing some accountability amongst senior police officers. And senior police officers don’t like it. Surprise, surprise.

  • The Screaming Eagles

    645 – Must be galling to see Nick Robinson as boss, and knowing he’s not going anywhere for a while.

  • Timothy (likes zebras)

    [634] – “David Cameron now in to 12/1 as next out with Ladbrokes.”

    Really? Given that it often takes a Cabinet-level resignation to shift a PM, it’s remarkable that this has come in as far as it has.

  • Andrea

    House of Lords Speaker

    Round 1

    D’Souza (Crossbench) 186
    Colwyn (Con) 166
    Goodlad (Con) 145
    Desai (Lab) 78
    Harris of Richmond (LD) 62
    Redesdale (LD) 7

    Non transferable 0

    Round 2

    D’Souza (Crossbench) 188
    Colwyn (Con) 167
    Goodlad (Con) 145
    Desai (Lab) 79
    Harris of Richmond (LD) 65

    Non transferable 0

    Round 3

    D’Souza (Crossbench) 202
    Colwyn (Con) 193
    Goodlad (Con) 150
    Desai (Lab) 92

    Non transferable 7

    Round 4

    D’Souza (Crossbench) 240
    Colwyn (Con) 213
    Goodlad (Con) 167

    Non transferable 16

    Round 5

    D’Souza (Crossbench) 296
    Colwyn (Con) 285

    Non transferable 40

  • Southam Observer

    Perhaps today’s press conference tells us why good old Boris needs so many exceptionally well remunerated advisers:

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23968041-city-hall-sees-number-of-staff-on-six-figure-pay-soar-from-16-to-28.do

  • tim

    651 – Boris is hardly helping Cameron.

    faisalislam Faisal Islam
    Boris really did not take the chance to support Cameron, did he? #boriscoup
    15 minutes ago

  • Dan Smith

    bit much we are hearing all this noise from the police federations now, not a peep about the allegations of selling information to journalists. they just don’t get it.

  • Mike Smithson
  • Seth O. Logue

    642 Richard Tyndall

    Let’s leave it, pro tempore, that we agree that North Sea output is sensitive to tax imposition but have different positions on the extent.

    I am sure we’ll have many opportunities to return to the subject on PB.

  • http://hopisen.wordpress.com Hopi Sen

    639. take your point, but what is irritating me is not BJ’s earlier position, which was wrong, but similar to Cameron etc, but his cyncism now.

    He seems to think he’ll get away with being all “nothing to see here folks” and mocking “jowl quivering outrage” (As recently as April) and then getting up today and setting his jowls a-quiver with the best of them. What does he get out of it – a chance to make Cameron look bad in comparison and distract from his own previous views? Cheap.

  • Richard Tyndall

    644

    Pointon is obviously one of those who feels that incompetance is no reason for someone to lose their job.

  • Sara

    Can’t resist commeting on this even though it’s superseded:

    The only two good bets here are William Hague and Teresa May.

    Think of the circs in which Cameron may fall while in office. They are bound to be troubling, divisive, perhaps even scandalous. The Coalition will desperately want a unifying candidate, an ‘elder statesman’, who is already in a senior position. They will want to make the decision quickly, so only one of the top 4 (assuming they are the same top 4) will be plausible. Ken Clarke can be ruled out as he is now too compromised (too much shooting from the hip and checking the facts afterwards). If it’s the hacking scandal that ousts Cameron, Osborne is surely bound to be implicated as well, given his role in hiring Coulson.

    So you would think it’s William Hague’s, if he wants it- long experience, service to the party in its hour of need, acceptable to the Lib Dems, etc. But if he doesn’t want it, for the reasons some have suggested above, then the only other possibility is Teresa May. It would emasculate Labour, who would look bad laughing at a woman, if she made a decent fist of being a ‘calm and unity’ candidate. Plus I assume all the ambitious men would think she would be a good way of keeping their rivals at arm’s length, but much more easily assailable by themselves when the time came.