The Voting: Round One - choose the 4 person short-list
December 23rd, 2009Note - You can vote for as many on the list as you wish
I have left out previous winners and those who have indicated that they do not wish to take part. The software limits the number on the ballot to a maximum of thirty names. This will close at 0700 on Boxing Day.
There will be separate ballots next week for the PB Tipster of the Year.
Mike Smithson
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Hopefully I’ll come first
1.
You are Tiger Woods’ trainer?
I’ve just voted for one candidate only in this round - as that’s all I wish to do.
Who sneaked Mark Senior onto the list?
2 - Nope, he’s proved shockingly bad at juggling multiple women.
Boo!
I’m like an Iron Maiden single - right up there one week - not in the top 30 the next!
Go TSE!!!!
well I’ve just voted all tory and centre right posters,’why’ because you speak common sense,I thank you
6 - A scandal you’re not on there.
I’d better work harder next year
8, aye. There’s also a conspicuous lack of genetic engineering siege weapon enthusiasts
6 you must be gutted . I thought you would make the top 30 tbf
10 - I know
Right, I’m off to go speak to some “Community Leaders”
10 I can exclusively reveal that you were 31st Morris Dancer -unlucky
Ave It is Mikes nom de plume, he couldn’t nominate himself.
8/10/11 ty grateful for your kind words!
I’m going here - its so much better!
http://order-order.com/
13, that’s tormenting. Woe is me! Verily, the crocodile clips of ingratitude are clamped mercilessly on the nipples of my heart!
14 I wish he had -I always find a spot of OTT arrogance rather funny
14 hahahahahahahaha!!!!
tim you might be on the moderation list (again)!!!!!
Who’s voting for mark senior?!?!
15 - Look on the bright side, The Lib Dems have always been wrong about anything connected with Watford.
Nailed on Tory Gain.
I voted for girls and people from Norfolk
Sensible, earthy men and pretty ladies with ribbons and bows, those are the posters for me.
15 perhaps you could obtain an injunction SNP esque?
21 rightisright
Wouldn’t work - you need your own legal system do defy the over mighty state of OGH!
19/21
i will get malcolmg to organise it for me…odd he’s not in the 30 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA etc!
No Ed from Tokyo but Jonathan? Postal-ballots I assume….
Polls and their results are subject to error and are for entertainment only !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
19 you are doing well in early voting screaming!!
you consider a Youtube broadcast–perhaps take some pointers from that one Kinnock did when he went out walking on some moor
26 - Due to a promise I made to my wife, I will never ever record myself for public consumption (or private consumption for that matter)
now is the time to bring out any dirt or photographs you have of yellow submarine or plato ,screaming!!
“The strain begins to show as Brown and Mandelson clash over election strategy
A planned series of announcements and speeches by senior Labour figures that were intended to reassure middle-class voters was abandoned after Mr Brown, Lord Mandelson and Ed Balls, the Schools Secretary, disagreed over their timing and content.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6967011.ece
29 why doesn’t Ed Balls get an honourific?
how come Ezio’s not there?
The Times house style seems to be full name the first time someone is mentioned, and then honorfific + surname. The first time Gordon is mentioned in that piece, he is Gordon Brown.
Alternatively, maybe it’s because Balls is a c***.
32
I voted for Nick Palmer as a consolation for the crap year ahead. It’s gonna be a blood-bath!
29. Me December 23rd, 2009 at 9:51 pm
“Brown and Mandelson clash”
Why does the Labour Party ignore Mandelson’s advice? Why does Mandelson bother to give it?
MArk Senior makes the list but Morris Dancer doesn’t. Something is rotten in the stae of PB.Com
So, a not so subtle black-ball for me from Mike.
Don’t worry, I may well be poster of the DECADE next year.
If the YouGov/Telegraph poll doesn’t turn up in a minute, are we to assume YouGov are planning on polling over Christmas?
Christmas Eve papers (so far):
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Newspapers-Front-Pages-Thursday-December-24-2009/Media-Gallery/200912415507413?lpos=UK_News_Left_Promo_Region_0&lid=GALLERY_15507413_Newspapers_Front_Pages_Thursday_December_24_2009
Stapshot as of a moment ago:
Average votes/voter: 6.4
Best-worst percentage of possible votes: 47.69%-3.85%
One big surprise in the top 4 to me.
Mike, when’s the deadline for votes?
We want Weathercock!
“Snapshot”, natch.
I’m gonna vote for NickPMP. It’ll be the only thing he’ll be winning in the near future….
For the moment there is an apparent “big three” dominating (Richard N, YS and David H). The fourth finalist spot seems more open… go PtP!
Slowly slowly, the investors are starting to wake up and smell the coffee. This is why we have to cut now because otherwise our debt repayments will go through the roof.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/recession/6874992/Gilts-sell-off-as-Britain-joins-Italy-in-debt-house.html
I voted early.
I voted often
Labours legacy to Britain.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/recession/6874992/Gilts-sell-off-as-Britain-joins-Italy-in-debt-house.html
“The cost of borrowing for the British Government has surged to within a whisker of Italian levels as global markets issue their punishing verdict on the Government’s spending plans.”
“The yield on 10-year gilts spiked Wednesday to 3.97pc, 46 basis points higher than costs on French bonds. Britain and France were neck and neck as recently as last month, before Labour’s pre-Budget report raised deep concerns among Chinese, Arab, and Russian investors about the credibility of British state.
But what has caught market attention is the narrowing gap with Italian bonds, once mocked as the symbol of an ill-governed nation in thrall to the Dolce Vita.
Yields on 10-Italian treasuries have been hovering just above 4pc despite the eurozone’s Greek crisis, dropping as low as 3.98pc earlier this week.
Julian Callow, Europe economist at Barclays Capital, said Britain is nearing the eye of the storm as the Bank of England starts to unwind quantitative easing.”
“no more boom and bust”
“Labour investment vs Tory cuts”
and who can forget this little classic
“best placed”
Laugh or cry?
The exclusion of Morris Dancer is idiotic and inexplicable. And wrong.
45 - Snap!
Just caught up with this, I’m afraid I’ll have to follow the herd and say that for analysis Yellow Submarine would be my pick. However if there were a seperate award for whimsy I would definately nominate TSE, Plato and Morris Dancer. For analysis I always Richard Nabavi and David Herdson too.
TSE’s dedication to posting here during the early days of his marraige is commendable, while comment number 1 on this thread is a testament to his skill and cunning at comment crafting.
I thoroughly enjoy the irrelevant and tangential discussions I have with Morris Dancer about obscure areas of history, even if no one else does. I look forward to aiding and abetting the acquisition of the enormo haddock.
There is only one word to describe Plato. Legend.
I also greatly appreciate comments from Easteross, Marcia and ChristinaD, and most of the time Stuart, about Scots politics.
46 SimonStClare
I hadn’t realised that Irish voting was being used! If so, then the Scots are very similar to the Irish, so expect easterross, ChristinaD, Stuart Dickson and Marcia to secure the top 4 places!
Didn’t Martin Day try and gerrymander this poll last year?
52,
No, it was his friends at the Mosque. Martin knew nothing of it.
can we have an option for “none of the above”?
Gordon selling the gold appears in the news again
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6873600/Gordon-Brown-gold-Treasury.html
“Gordon Brown’s selling off of Britain’s gold reserves has cost the country £5 billion, new figures reveal.”
5 Bil? Small beer compared to other damage done by this idiot.
The MandyBrown pretremors are continuing to rumble.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/310e2a44-efff-11de-833d-00144feab49a.html
Mandelson is right. Brown is wrong. Of course. It is suicidal for Labour to abandon the aspirational lower middle classes.
Thinking about it, getting nominated on here, is the 4th most proudest thing i’ve achieved this year.
Plato has been mildly less great since she started posting exclusively on the Thoughts of Chairman Delingpole.
re my 51
Sorry James - I wasn’t being discriminatory against you - I just picked the first 4 Scots names I saw! Which does raise the question as to why OGH has listed the names in that order. Is it to ensure that “Alex Salmond for First Minister” names don’t win? Is this an implication that AntiFrank is suspected of selecting that moniker purely on that basis?
58. No need to apologise, Oldnat, for once in my life I’m not feeling paranoid! Although I might change my mind in a minute, because my Christmas tree looks like it’s about to topple over…
53. Oh.
57 Yes, but Plato brings a nation of loyal subjects with her…
For the last few days I’ve been checking the weather forecast, if snow was predicted I could bring my laptop home and if I got snowed in I could work from home. All week it’s been lovely and sunny. Now it’s snowing really heavily, and I don’t have my laptop. No one in the office is going to believe that I got snowed in on Christmas eve. Doh!
51 - I don’t post enough to be included - so humble thanks to whoever nominated me - surprised that some regular posters are not the list. I don’t think i’ll save my deposit so I shall concede early
I just popped in to say:
Naollaig Chridheil agus Blaidhna Mhath Ur
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Marcia and Edmund.
59 James
Is it the Xmas tree leaning to one side - or you?
53 Now are you SURE it was a mosque? We’ve had this problem on here before…
58 O/T But is it the case that if both Labour and the SNP both drop back slightly in 2011 but with SNP ahead Labour could arrive in first in number of seats thanks to greater SNP reliance on list seats?
Snigger
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/citydiary/6874830/Gordon-Browns-letter-to-Father-Christmas.html
Gordo writes to father xmas
“May I be the first to wish you a very Merry Christmas on behalf of my Government, ministers and loyal subjects. I know this is a busy time of year for you so I won’t take up too much of your time. I imagine that even from your own northern constituency you can’t have failed to notice that things haven’t been haven’t going too well this year. True, I’ve saved the global economy and brought the bankers into line, but it just doesn’t seem to be getting through. I’ve given a lot of thought to why this might be and come to the conclusion that it must be someone else’s fault,”
Santa writes back
“Dear Gordon,
Replace the Cabinet and Members of Parliament with a bunch of individuals with no political history or experience? You’re on the naughty list, but I think that’s one present I can guarantee you will receive this year.
Best
Father C.”
56 SeanT: “It is suicidal for Labour to abandon the aspirational lower middle classes.”
In which case - Labour should be left to get on with it.
The noxious combination of a weak PM and a belligerent Ed Balls seems to be spelling out trouble all round.
64. I’m keeping a safe distance, Oldnat. I’m sure it’s got malign intent but unless it can fly I should be all right.
66. Punter - unfortunately, yes. The only reason the SNP’s narrow lead was enough in 2007 was because the support for the smaller parties (Greens, SSP, Solidarity) collapsed on the list.
This poster is disappointed with the exclusion of Ave it but is happy to vote for Plato instead…
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3218/2824319808_8d5ed15f80.jpg?v=0
66 Punter
Who knows? Whatever the Scottish polls are saying just now (and they suggest an increased SNP lead), the 2010 election for Westminster is likely to be quite influential on the Holyrood vote.
I’m not that concerned at the moment, because the local Co-op was selling Isle of Jura Single Malt for £16-75 today!
71- I was working in Edinburgh last year and got my dad a bottle of 30 year old Balvenie at the whiskey museum. He seems to like it.
55. “Although Lord Mandelson has no intention of fomenting a last-minute leadership challenge to the prime minister, Mr Brown needs his most effective media communicator fully engaged in the election campaign.”
If I were Mandelson I’d spend at least 20 minutes a day denying that I am plotting against Brown.
66/71 -also we have to take into account the new constituency boundaries from memory are more advantagous to the SNP at expense of Labour.
re 54 Floater, quite. After all we run through 5 billion every week.
James I’m sure the tree is a Unionist
72 Bob
Pedant alert!
“Whisky” in Scotland and Canada.
End of alert
How is that new English malt spelt btw?
Astonished to make nominatons second year running - now Martin Day what was the trick that got you banned last time, multiple votes with different IP addresses IIRC…..is it worth a try……
73- how do we know that you aren’t Peter Mandelson?
FWIW at conference I went to a training session on media stuff, and Donal Blaney said that my style in an interview was like Peter Mandelson but that I was too nice to carry it off.
If Yellow Submarine goes through with three Tories, will he be the first Liberal (Democrat) in a century to benefit from FPTP?
37 RodCrosby “So, a not so subtle black-ball for me from Mike.”
It’s not so much that, Rod.
He just wants to avoid you claiming that you would have won with sufficient “swingback”.
Who’s man enough to admit they follow Santa on NORAD’s ‘tracks Santa’ site.
Only 8hrs 15mins to lift off.
:)
http://www.noradsanta.org/en/index.html
77- I don’t actually know, but my dad would be irritated at such poor Whisky knowledge. There was a knowledgable chap on radio 2 t’other day who was praising it. Perhaps Whisku or Whiskee would do. I believe that Manx Whisky now has to be called Manx Spirit, so perhaps English Ghost.
80 - Nabavi will reveal the identities of his Tory rivals as Mackay and Kirkbride..
It could be a nailbiter.
Obama’s approval rating plumets
55% of Americans think Obama is either:
a) A Marxist
b) An enemy of USA
3) Snake oil salesman
d) Incompetent
ii) Racist
e) Old man’s pants
72 I think the first English Whisky distillery in a few hundred years has just started production though. Nothing really like a bit of competition to improve quality.
Well, after 210 voters (as of a couple of minutes ago), I make it that there’s been 1221 votes cast (a palindromic number, as I’m sure JohnLoony would note). So just under 6 votes per voter, on average (5.81).
So, on average, people are voting for less than 20% of the field.
ps, I vote none of the above
87 is it cos some of the best candidates have been excluded?
Click on the link.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_total_approval_graphics/december_2009/obama_total_approval_december_23_2009/273839-1-eng-US/obama_total_approval_december_23_2009.jpg
SEE Obama’s ratings plumet!
MARVEL at how the US was duped into a President less able than GW!
80, MichaelK
“If Yellow Submarine goes through with three Tories, will he be the first Liberal (Democrat) in a century to benefit from FPTP? :)”
I bloody hope so! I’ve got a bet on with PtP that Yellow Submarine makes it. PtP is of the opinion that the blue leaners of the site won’t bring themselves to vote for a Lib Dem. I’m of the opinion that they will. I am somewhat nervous at having hazarded hard-earned against one of the canniest punters on the site, but I’ve got every faith in my fellow Tories/Tory-leaners/anti-Labourites. However, if FPTP might help my bet, I’ll take every assistance I can get!
77. oldnat December 23rd, 2009 at 10:41 pm
“Whisky” it seems: http://www.englishwhisky.co.uk/home.html
I understand that they will need cashflow, but I’ve never heard of anyone selling the 18 month old distilled product (not sure if you can call it any word beginning with ‘w’ at that age) before. I wonder if it’s palatable.
92- I think that the limit is 6 years
91 - Don’t click on View at the moment then…
89 It looks like a good ol’Soviet style election. Only approved candidates.
No SeanT? No AveIt, John R, Martin Day, David Roe, Ken W?
FFS where am I?
96- an age old question.
96 - Sadly for us, you are here.
94, Blimey, it’s close. 109-104 at the moment. Maybe FPTP will be my key to victory.
We definately need an award for whimsy.
92 MichaelK
Thanks
When I was a student, I had a friend whose Dad worked in a distillery, and provided copious quantities of what I think was technically “leakage” or “evaporation”. It was known as White Spirit - a remarkably accurate name!
If I’m still alive, I’ll try that English whisky in 10 year’s time.
95 John R talked about an ‘expulsion referendum’ yesterday - i dont think this is what he had in mind!
http://politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2009/12/22/should-the-indycomres-have-heeded-sir-humphreys-advice/#comment-1357386
Can we all stop talking about whisky, I have a bottle of Jack Daniels that is telling me to drink it.
I’ve vowed to give up drinking you see.
103 TSE
There should be no problem. Jack Daniels is a whiskey.
102
Obviously, some people are taking practical steps to prepare for the expulsion of Scotland from the UK, and the trade war that will inevitably follow.
101 – Oldnat, when you pop your clogs be sure to buried in the family vault as I fear a cremation could take out half the village in a ball of flame.
104 - Whisky/Whiskey, both cause me to get drunk and do my white eared elephant impression.
104 - And compared to Makers Mark, it is shite.
91. Andy Cooke December 23rd, 2009 at 10:50 pm
You have a bet with PtP .. you know, he’s lurking around 6th. If he gets into 4th he himself could draw ABT support away from YS. Wow, this is tense.
108- awesome. Just don’t do the “mangina”.
107 SimonStClare
111 - I can promise not to do it again.
You will all be receiving “The Screaming Eagles Winning here” and “Only The Screaming Eagles can win here” barcharts in the morning.
113- brillo pads! Night all!
O/T feeling very mellow so a word in praise of one bit of Labour’s legacy. Just come back from drinks at my neighbour’s (house behind), a couple of guys in a civil partnership.
At the event were the lady who does the flowers in CoE Church and her husband, some other couples in retirement and a reasonable mix of villagers, old and young. Just finished a very modern upgrading of their house so it was a mix of house warming and Christmas.
Unimaginable a few years back that a gay couple in a rural village would celebrate building a home together without no more comment than congratulations. Even a few jokes about putting pink lights up.
Thank you Tony Blair (not sure about Gordon who missed the votes).
106. Absolutely. We need to be self-sufficient in haggis too.
(Now someone is going to shatter all my illusions by telling me that most haggis these days is made in Slovakia.)
116 - Well said.
It’s not often you campaign for something and see what a difference it makes to millions, but I’m proud of that one.
118. Yet gay civil partnerships are not so popular with the millions of Third World Africans and Muslims you clandestinely imported into the UK, against the will of the British people.
Square that circle, f*ckroach.
The Times is reporting that the MOD is cutting training for our armed forces to save money.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Newspapers-Front-Pages-Thursday-December-24-2009/Media-Gallery/200912415507413?lpos=UK_News_Left_Promo_Region_0&lid=GALLERY_15507413_Newspapers_Front_Pages_Thursday_December_24_2009
103. I have a bottle of twelve-year-old Balvenie which I am looking forward to enjoying over the festive period.
118 not sure if we are an atypical village, several gay couples resident, but noticeable that when the lesbian couple who lived next door to my dad up the road from me broke up and sold their house last month there was disappointment at losing them as neighbours expressed widely with no glad they’ve gone quotes.
119 - Probably best that someone who fuels people trafficking sobers up before opining about borders.
Can I just say a word of advice, as the reigning Poster of the Year (for about three more days), to the future Poster of the Year.
It’s a double edged, er, tiara, that you get to wear. A crown of thorns, as it were.
You will find that there is a certain pressure that comes with the honour. It’s like being Miss World, only with no breasts. When you post you feel duty bound to be witty or inventive with your comments (thus ensuring that you are less witty and inventive) and also you can’t go totally and joyously over the top, cause you have a *position* to maintain.
This may sound daft, and ludicrously precious, but it’s true. Being POTY is ever-so-slightly inhibiting.
I look forward to my demotion to the groundlings, when I can once more be a nasty drunken hoodlum getting banned every third week.
One for the political purists.
Kelvin Mackenzie and Kevin Maguire just started the paper review on sky news.
Sky presenter just had to tell Kelvin to be quiet as we’re live on TV
We’ve got a Tigerishly plausible story here.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6967002.ece
They had hoped to speak to him before Christmas but it is understood that despite speaking to his lawyers and having his mobile telephone they had not been able to speak to him to fix a time for an interview.
The former foreign secretary Jack Straw is to face potentially explosive questioning at the Iraq inquiry next month over a private letter he sent to Tony Blair on the eve of the invasion, urging the prime minister to look at options apart from pressing ahead with British military involvement in the attack.
It is understood that the inquiry is to receive a copy of the personal letter sent by Straw, written after discussions with Sir Michael (now Lord) Jay, the Foreign Office permanent secretary, on 16 March 2003, two days before the Commons voted to back the war.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/dec/23/jack-straw-letter-iraq-inquiry
124 - Has Kelvin had your JD?
122. Feeble. And tellingly so.
With your disgracefully irresponsible immigration policies, you have imported homophobia into the UK even as you sought to legislate against it.
It’s just one example, but it neatly sums up the utter crassness and incoherence of everything your disgusting party has done in office.
Worst. Government. Ever.
127 - No, I’ve had my JD, well most of it.
Indy has a story has a new plot to dislodge Brown as Leader. He’d be replaced as Leader but would remain PM?
No link yet
Kevin Maguire - If Gordon Brown could translate his international standing into votes here, he’d win the election.
Or words to that effect
131. Could be paraphrased as “he’s more popular with people that don’t know him so well”.
132. It is surely a truism, if not a cliche, to say that high profile politicians tend to be more popular with foreigners than with their own voters.
Mirror Journalist Spouts Tired and Truistic Piffle?
Surely not.
Well done to the nominees and good luck to all. I have voted for several.
Can I pay tribute to SeanT for the dignity, grace and aplomb he has accorded to the POTYSHIP 2009. I don’t think any poster could have conducted himself better. He has been extremely POTY throughout his now tumescent reign.
I think I know who will be POTY 2010. Anyone prepared to lay me 5/2 to my pick to a friendly £40?
I voted for Easterross as I think he gives good insight to the scottish scene plus having chatted to him I know he is a sound a bloke!
I saw his post on the last thread! 
I do try to moderate what i put out at times as I know I can be a bit forceful and very rude to detractors! 
It is a fine line between humilating the trolls and rising to the baite!
I have just had a great meal out and got back in! I am well proud of my gran (Almost 90!)- No she did not drink a yard of ale but she walked through thick snow and up steep hills assisted by myself and my mum because the Taxi could not get home!
Must have been about a mile or so in total! We have had three inches of snow on top of what was there already and the taxi could not get us home!
I would also like to nominate a bloke in a white van as B@st@rd of the year as he would not let my mum park her car outside his house this afternoon at about 5PM and it meant i had to lug 250KG of shopping upto my mums house an extra 350 yards! After 100 yards, 500 Yards short (It is all up hill) - I went to my mums house emptied the green bin into the normal bin and carried the stuff home in the wheely bin!
The sun of a bitch in the white van is going to wake up one sunny morning with snow outside his house with B@stard - Mother F*cker and W@nker sprayed in various coulours paint on the nice crisp snow!!! 
Maybe not this week but soon! When the snow melts it will have gone! I cannot believe my mother let such a cock end bully her as i was there and set to ignore him! In fact I said ignore him in front of him, when he started kicking off I said - what are you going to do about it and he went in. It was a public road! None of his business! Snow brings the worst out in people IMO and it was completly out of order as it was well away from his drive way.
135 hello martin - this isn’t a proper election - not like last year
Hope mike isn’t allowed to run the GE next year!
133 - Not always true.
Reagan (perhaps afterwards)
Thatcher? doubtful.
Major, unkown abroad.
Saddam Hussein, no.
134. Oops. That should have been detumescent reign.
136 Ave It
tim needs a campaign manager. You have been volunteered.
Can we have some posters Martin Day?
136.
I only voted once this year!
So far anyway! 
I luckily was not include on the nominations! 
Nor was SeanT 
141?
Interesting to see MacGuire on the review. He did one preview on R5L Drive a few weeks ago and launched into a list of anti-Cameron stories. Peter cut him off and moved him on.
Today Dougie Alexander was on the afternoon show. He started his if the Tories were in power line and Colin Murray cut him off and refused to let him do it. Peter Allen stopped Jim Knight last week with the unemployment figures. I’m sensing a change in editorial policy there.
137. I said “high profile”.
I think that rules out Major.
Reagan was wildly popular in Eastern Europe. Thatcher was and maybe still is very popular in America, and plenty of other places (I remember getting in a taxi in Cairo, in the late 80s, and the cabbie, when I heard I was British, turned around and beamed and said Maggie Thatcher! Great woman!)
Blair was popular abroad until Iraq, and even for a year or two afterwards, long after he was dissed in the UK.
Saddam Hussein is trickier I grant you. But even he had admirers in Palestine, and other hovels on the Arab Street, for standing up to America, when he was, surely, universally loathed in Iraq.
Gordon Brown, by contrast, is a f*cking non entity abroad, and hated and ridiculed at home.
HE is the exception to the rule.
139. Seth O. Logue December 23rd, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Posters for tim?! Just look an arsehole up on google images!
Only joking Tim!
I have been thinking about doing a new LD image but Mums the word and out of defference to mike i wont post the link to Nick Clegg = Neil Kinnock on this site!
Why is the Daily Mail so desperate to find a story linking David Cameron to a Blond girl?
There is no story but still they keep plugging. Someone is pushing it hard? But who?
The Daily Mail has strong links to the Labour party but then again Cameron is proving a disappointment to Conservatives.
143. Actually, I can think of another exception to the rule.
Berlusconi.
Widely derided across the globe, inexplicably popular with Italians.
Someone who very much FITS the rule, however, is Gorbachev. He remained a hero to many non-Russians even as he was fiercely rejected by Russians themselves.
143 - Major Hurd and Rifkind were popular in the hills around Sarajevo for a couple of years.
146 - Mitterrand and Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, George Bush.
Your rule fails more often than it succeeds.
146 Berlusconi is popular in Italy because he runs Italy for Italians and not the rest of the world.
Meanwhile Gordon Brown splashes British money around the world and British Forces are denied resources and funding.
And then there is Obama…very popular abroard and not so popular in the US.
To show the depth of interesting posters here I expect we could nomiinate another 30:
RodCrosby
Martin Day
Madasafish
Southam Observer
David Roe
Gwynfa
SeanT
Sean Fear
Keith Jenner
Sir Norfolk Passmore
Dyed in Some Wool Somewhere
LondonStatto
Maggie Thatcher Fan
oldnat
Sea Shanty Irish
Stars and Stripes
Chris (Bethesda)
Me
John Looney
Jack W
to start off with.
146 SeanT
I am not sure Berlusconi is widely derided across the globe.
He is figure of fun, sure, but he plays to the global image of a Latin lothario. Secretly admired provided he remains within his domain.
“Well at least he remained Italian PM for longer than six months.”
146 Gorbachov was pushed aside by Yeltsin. If it werent for Yeltsin, Gorbachov may well have been more popular in Russia. Having said that, if it werent for Yeltsin, the Communist left wing hard liners would have put him in an asylum.
Ave it!!!!!!!!!!!!
151 - Seth,
I don’t think anyone would suspect you of planting a sex n drugs n rock and roll story about me somewhere just to increase my vote.
Would they?
146. It doesn’t fail, it just needs refining:
A high profile politician, especially in a democracy, will retain popularity abroad long after he has lost all popularity at home.
There are still exceptions, but I believe it expresses a distinct truth. And as Ken says, Barack Obama is arguably headed in this direction - already.
SeanT December 23rd, 2009 at 11:55 pm
I like Berlusconi, he has given better leadership in italy than any pm imo since WWII in Italy. I know he has his personal faults and relative to the uk - he would not be electable. That said Gordon Brown is unelectable, never been elected but nominated by the plaint Labour party and is leader.
I look forward to the new book by the way! If it is as interesting as the secret Garden we will lap it up! I thought that most interesting and it made me think of something outside British politics for a short while!
Senior is not a suitable comment person. He just spouts party political line rants. His comments are just badly rehashed LDHQ press releases. Read like poor quality Focus neswletters.
116 Ted - In this season of goodwill, I’d like to second that. Having seen the joy which the option of civil partnerships has brought to various gay friends, it is undoubtedly something Labour can be proud of (and something which would not have happened under a Conservative government, or at least not under the party as it was pre-Cameron, although attitudes have changed with time). I confess I had doubts at the time it was introduced, but Conservatives should above all be pragmatic, and this is a policy which, despite being in some ways muddled, is undoubtedly a good thing in practice.
I’d also add the Freedom of Information Act as an achievement which Labour can be proud of, even though it needs a bit of tweaking.
(Since we’re being magnanimous, I won’t mention the other side of the equation, but normal hostilities will resume after Xmas).
The article that Screaming Eagles mentioned:
“New plot hatched to dislodge Brown before election
Critics would ask him to stand down as leader but remain as PM”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/new-plot-hatched-to-dislodge-brown-before-election-1849096.html
150 AveIt, Patrick, Bob, Patrick WHFan, Morris Dancer, Martin Coxall…
Is Obama still admired abroad? Not so sure about that….
150- Is that Me, me or you?
Another interesting example, of Tom Knox’x Third Rule, is Winston Churchill.
The world must have watched with astonishment when we voted Churchill out of office in 1945.
I’m not saying we did the wrong thing, the British people are sovereign, but it must have come as a shock to many in Europe and America who saw Churchill as THE great war leader, sans pareil.
161- Here in Brazil he still is. Last week all journalist thought he would save the Copenhagen meeting.
157. David Douglas December 24th, 2009 at 12:05 am
He is also very rude when it is not necessary! I can be very rude especially to him when prevoked, yet i get censored not him!
152 ken wasabi
Gorbachev would not have become more popular in Russia if it weren’t for Yeltsin. It was the Russian (as opposed to Soviet) party apparatus that did for Gorbachev and the Soviet communist party. Gorbachev was “saved” by his international reputation in so far as the options for his disposal were thereby limited. Yeltsin fronted but did not lead the “revolution”.
162. Me
Me is you not me
“Since we’re being magnanimous, I won’t mention the other side of the equation, but normal hostilities will resume after Xmas.
by Richard Nabavi December 24th, 2009 at 12:05 am”
What you mean is, normal hostilities will resume ONCE I HAVE BEEN ELECTED POSTER OF THE YEAR.
Don’t worry, I’ve been there. You start playing nicey-nice with all the voters as the finishing line approaches.
From the article:
“Mr Taylor wrote: “Under this scenario Gordon Brown remains Prime Minister until the election but the Labour Party chooses a new leader to fight that election. In this way the internal contest within the party for its next leader is not about foisting a new Prime Minister on the country, but about choosing someone about whom the voters can make up their own mind.”
FPT 350
“One thing I’d like to ask Rod, if he’s about is this, you seem certain that there will be a hung parliament.
What are the event(s) that would stop a hung parliament? Either to allow an outright Tory or Labour majority?”
Not certain of a hung parliament, but it seems (and has always seemed to me) odds-on.
As to events, a Labour majority has always looked remote (apart from a brief period in 2007), and I doubt even a change of leader could secure one for Labour now.
So that leaves events which could reverse the Tories gentle but inexorable decline and guarantee them a majority. A collapse in the LibDems would benefit the Tories. Another predominantly Labour scandal? Labour divisions? There are so many possible things, but none seems particularly likely at this point to impact Labour rather than the Tories.
Barring such shocks, it looks like were heading for a hung parliament, doesn’t it?
http://www.titanictown.plus.com/hp/kalman.png
The problem with OGH’s approach, of comparing this poll with the last poll, is the polls are simply not designed to make such comparisons sensible. Almost every pair of polls will statistically say “no change”, but as we know and the graph shows, voting intention obviously does change. It usually changes at a glacial pace, no more than a very tiny fraction of 1 point per day. 1000-sample polls simply cannot pick this up, and the +1%/-2% stuff that we are treated to week after week is mostly noise, revealing nothing about what is really happening.
Only pooling the polls, allowing them to borrow strength from one another, can reveal the trend. Kalman does this very well. Notice how it picks up both Lab and Con dipping during the LibDem conference, and Labour getting a short boost after its own conference. The Tories didn’t seem to get much from their conference, and have been on a gentle down trend for months. Labour are on the up and the gap is narrowing…
167-
Thanks!
160. MM
And your good self.
Apologies for those named for forgetting them and also Punter, James Burdett, SallyC, Albion and doubtless many others I should remember.
168 SeanT - Well, being transparently ingratiating worked for Blair.
154 tim
Master tim, you are no Berlusconi.
You should however be a contender.
ON topic, the first three candidates for the four name POTY shortlist are now clear.
But the battle for the fourth position, like that for the last team to sneak into the Champions League, remains agonisingly close.
Bunnco, PtP, Easterross and Plato are neck and neck as we approach Beecher’s Brook for the second time.
170 - Thanks for that Rod.
175 -I’d e very surprised if Plato’s climate change mates don’t wrap that up.
Rod - I’ve seen some other articles which claim that for every week, month, etc. that a government is in power it loses a fraction of its support. That seems to clash with the idea that Labour is moving slowly up at the moment. I’d be interested to hear your comments on that.
130/159 - That is a really interesting proposition but I have to agree with Brown’s friends. It would simply cause confusion. Who would be running the country? Who would decide policy? What happened if a crisis breaks out?
This is the beginning of the battle for Labour. In terms of an election campaign, this becomes one of the issues that Brown will face: “How long will you stay on?” Other parties will be able to expand on their policies, Labour will face a leadership question every day… Not good for them.
178. I think it’s more complicated than that. Yes, in general all governments eventually lose, so they must have lost support, that can obviously be crudely averaged over their period in office. I think Labour will lose support compared to 2005, but as the graph shows, they are recovering hugely from expensesgate, while the tories are definitely heading south. The quirks of FPTP mean that Labour can still be miles behind the Tories and either get more seats, or at least force a hung parliament. If Labour get to over 30% - which I think they will soon - all bets for a Tory majority suddenly go pear-shaped…
RodC
Are you sure there is a definite polling trend since conference season?
Average Conservative lead:
Sep 12.8
Oct 13.8
Nov 12.2
Dec 12.4
Looks pretty stable to me, certainly if you compare it to the steady and large fall in the Conservative lead in the same period in 2008:
Sep 15.7
Oct 11.6
Nov 8.5
Dec 4.8
And all the evidence suggests that the Conservative vote is most committed where it matters.
Just popping on to wish you all a Happy and Peaceful Christmas. The site is lucky to have so many insightful posters and I’ve had many a chuckle this year to thank you all for. It’s been a difficult year in Chez Kristin and you’ve been a great distraction for me, so I thank you all for that.
Best of luck to all the nominees, it sounds cheesy but your all winners.
Mike and Robert, your work is much appreciated and next year I’m sure the site will be pretty lively and I look forward to it.
Mike, I may email you re an idea I have to raise funds for Leukaemia Research if that’s OK,
Oh, and for those of you who are blood donors, I’d like to add a special thanks, over a hundred of you have helped my son this year and he and I will be raising a glass to you on Christmas day.
All the best
Kristin
181. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, we don’t mention the period from Sep-Dec 2008 because it blows Rods theory out of the water!
Something i would also say that arose at my meal this evening was i was talking to someone who is a C2 in political terms and they do not realise that the unemployment rate of 2.5 million is supplemented by the 2.5 million on benifits to mask unemployment.
They feel cheated the government allows this sort of misleading jiggery pokery to go on!
The UK is a very sick nation - time to kick Labour out!………………………………………………..
181, 183 - It would require Rod looking properly at statistics, something the left are incapable of.
184.Something i would also say that arose at my meal this evening was i was talking to someone who is a C2 in political terms and they do not realise that the unemployment rate of 2.5 million is supplemented by the 2.5 million on benifits to mask unemployment.
They feel cheated the government allows this sort of misleading jiggery to go on!
The UK is a very sick nation - time to kick Labour out!………………………………………………..
by Martin Day December 24th, 2009 at 12:39 am Your comment is awaiting moderation
181. The KF says there is, and it’s a better judge of trends than your, no offence, crude averages, although even your figures show a similar trend. (Tories rising Sep-Oct, but now lower than they were in Sep)
KF takes into account sample sizes, and the actual daily spacing of the polls in time instead of arbitrary “months”, as well as smoothing the figures backwards in time to arrive at maximum likelihood estimates.
The BNP: only organisation with dodgier accounts than the EU
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bnp-in-trouble-for-filing-inadequate-accounts-1849097.html
186. Martin Day December 24th, 2009 at 12:43 am
It was a phrase which was banned about a certian c@rd g@me that made it Mod€ra@ted!
Why has the above list been packed full of lefties and those that no longer contribute? SeanT has won in the past, but I don’t see why that is a fair reason to exclude him from the vote this year. If he keeps up his quality contributions and interesting polemic he should be allowed to win again.
182 - I will be running London for Children with Leukaemia in 2010. I’ll tap PBers once my better half sets up the fundraising page
189. Am referring to the voting list from Mike.
190 - a noble cause, count me in. I’d probably cost the health service more than I raised if I tried that
( dodgy knee ) Still I thought if I offered up a prize, say a case of wine, for a charity bet that might appeal. But I’ll leave it up to Mike as I don’t know what his policy is on such matters.
Just been reading Rod’s article from April 2008 on regional differences and how they’re unlikely to deliver more than 5 bonus seats to the Tories:
http://politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2008/04/16/rod-crosby-asks-will-regional-swings-help-the-tories/
Good night everyone. Happy Holidays.
145. The Daily Mail has been operating a ‘news blackout’ for nearly 3 months. It puts mundane non-stories on the front page, and then hides the epic bad news in tiny articles inside that are not developed or explored. It is pathetic and they must definitely be losing many readers, who can tell what they are up to.
The Daily Mail is in cahoots with Labour to hide bad news. I wonder what the bribe was.
Newspapers that play the game of hiding the truth and report government propaganda via press release and Damian McBrides ‘feeds’ as if it was real news, pay the price of losing their readers. Lose enough and they go bankrupt. Even the Daily Mail cannot get complacent.
Yellow Submarine
Coldstone
Rod Crosby (not on it)
oldnat (not on it)
Stuart Dickson
marcia
Peter the Punter
Rod Crosby really should be on the list.
195 - It would take losing a lot of readers before the Daily Mail went bankrupt.
189/191. Perhaps we should run our own “unofficial” poll along the lines I suggested?
Martin Day and Sean Fear should also be on.
RodC
What we have seen though is the Conservatives lead vary over the last two years as events have affected it.
This will continue to happen as events occur. What these events are and how they will affect the political situation we cannot be sure of although we may make educated guesses. And it is this variability that allows potentially profitable betting opportunities to arise.
It’s possible that the Conservative lead will increase and its possible that it will decrease.
What we cannot do though is simply extrapolate lines on graphs to find a result. Politics is much more variable than that.
In December 1978 you would have been predicting a hung parliament the following year. In December 1991 you would have done so again. You would have been wrong both times.
Does that mean that your prediction of a hung parliament will be wrong next year? No, but it doesn’t mean that you will be right either.
There’s a lot more water to go under the political bridge before the general election takes place and we will have to wait and see what the effect is.
189,
I like SeanT but I wouldn’t say he is a good source for political betting or political astuteness either.
* * * BETTING POST * * *The Sun reports that the Queen will talk about our Armed Forces in her Christmas speech
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/2783720/Queens-speech-praises-troops.html
Paddy Power have a market on what word the Queen will use first; Afghanistan is 5/1.
http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_type&ev_class_id=91&disp_cat_id=&ev_type_id=12510&ev_oc_grp_ids=119658
Outstanding value. Get on quick!
200. I am not using the graph to predict the future, although that has interesting possibilities. Notice the Tories possible descending triangle pattern?
I am saying the graph is on a convergent course with the swingback forecast, which is “nice.”
190 - David Roe
I ran London this year and thoroughly enjoyed it. The support from the crowd make it an unforgettable experience
You need to set up a justgiving page, its pretty straightforward to do.
I offered a case of wine to the nearest guess of my finishing time, which seemed to be appreciated.
Good Luck.
201. I have never lost a bet on pb.
Also, I may be a ludicrously moody, bipolar nutjob, but then so is a large chunk of the British electorate.
Niteynyte.
204 - That is a good idea. Thanks!
202 - Wibbler, I’m on.
201. another richard December 24th, 2009 at 1:02 am
No there will be no hung parliament:
Tory Majority of 30 to 200 is coming, the lib dems may pick a few seats up from Labour and hang onto Birming Yardley, Cambridge and Hornsey and Wood Green but most LDs who were elected between 1997 and 2005 will be wiped out and maybe some from 1992 will lose! Indeed those three seats i mentioned may surprise folk and lead to Tories overtaking and wining, Labour being second and LD third! Different political environment!
The Tories have been working all these seats! Indeed it comes down to 5 more years of Brown or a change of government!
Bu**er, I am terrible for not reading instructions! I only voted for one person, and then I realised I could have voted for some other great posters too!
Tried to rectify my mistake, but you can only vote once. Now sitting with a will earned brandy and surrounded by lists of things still to do before everyone arrives tomorrow night.
208.well not will, I have only had a couple of sips of brandy, I don’t need alcohol to litter my posts with mistakes. I am natural.
207 Martin Day
Your post has the tone of a messaniac preacher propesying from the Book of Revelations.
Rather more prosaically you are suggesting that in 3 seats in England, the currently leading party may come 3rd. In Scotland it wouldn’t be at all unusual in some 3 or 4 party marginals, for that to happen or for a party in 3rd place in 2005 to win the seat. All that can happen with relatively small changes in voting patterns.
Your conclusion is, of course, wrong. If Labour win Brown may not be PM for the whole of that Parliament. The Parliament may not last 5 years (few do).
Calm down. There is no need to orgasm over the possibility that an election might result in a change of government. It’s actually quite a common occurrence - but seldom leads to meaningful change in policy in the UK.
209 ChristinaD
I sympathise! Why is it that one only sees the typos after the post appears?
190.David, you are putting me to shame, I have not started training yet for the big walk yet. I might have agreed to climb a very big hill (not quite a Munro) in April next year while enjoying a few glasses of wine at a wee party last Friday night, I am hoping that the person who talked me into it will have forgotten this!
209. ChristinaD December 24th, 2009 at 1:38 am
Oh well - I emailed my second choice, truelly I thought they had a good case but Easteross IMO had a better case given his long and unswerving loyalty to the tory cause!!!! So i voted for easterross!
The second vote would have gone to the friend i mention but they are big enough to know that they would be first preference on a different question! So Easteross gets my first and only vote!
It must be cold up in Scotland this evening! It is here at this time! Plus too much snow! Nevermind maybe it will get better soon!
211.oldnat, I cannot believe the weather over the last 24 hours. We have been below freezing day and night for over a week with quite a bit less snow than the family in Aviemore (wow, they really have had a lot). But last night we got a very large dump of snow late evening into the early hours, then this morning it was raining and above 0 with a big thaw in progress. Then sleet, then more snow, and now the big freeze. Brrr. Only in Scotland can you such a diversity of weather in one day, we finally made it onto the main news as well. All it took was an airport and some really drama with that plane landing!
If I see the inside of St Pancreas Station or an airpor one more time on the news I will scream.
They may be waiting, but I think that its the ones out on the roads and trying to get to people that should really be covered.
211. oldnat December 24th, 2009 at 1:42 am
Well whether the LD win those seats or not is not an indication of GE results!
All I am saying is that despite some folks thoughts there could be a surprise in them!
The tories under FPTP dont need 50% but rather the most vote whether it is 30% or 33%! 
213.Martin, glad to see you back and in fine fettle, its been a tough year but hopefully things will look up in 2010. Best wishes.
214 ChristinaD
We had 6 inches of snow yesterday, but the gritters and ploughs dealt with it pretty well. Some of the side roads were a bit of a problem, and my daughter said she had to concentrate really hard when she drove down to the Lake District this evening, but I’ve seen worse.
205. “I have never lost a bet on pb.”
True, although that may be partly due to you thus far only entering into bets along the lines of “in the next poll of seven-year-old girls, I predict that more than 50% will vote for the kitten to live”.
But, to be fair, you’ve now been a touch more bold (or rash) and entered into a bet that the latest ComRes poll says you’re going to lose (just). 2010 could be full of new experiences…
215 Martin Day
Glad to see you aren’t preaching from Revelations after all! Far too many people are into religious symbolism at the winter solstice for some reason.
Someone suggested on PB a few months ago the idea of Brown resigning as leader but remaining as PM up until the GE.
Can’t remember who it was but they deserve a mention.
And if this were to actually happen I would think it would be a strong contender for one of the all time greatest ever PB posts.
217. ChristinaD December 24th, 2009 at 1:55 am
Thank you!
Whether i make it or not as a person, my view is i have nothing or very little, but if i can help i will! I am willing to sacrice my self for the greater good of the country! I want a change of government - I am a fighter: I am sick of the raw deal i get now - Labour just stop my progress: I want the tories in power! I am marginalised and written off at this time! I will not just fight back but win! I do it for myself but the tories and ultimatly the country! I will fight back, I will Win and I will do what i want to do!!!
Just watch me! It may sound like a little person roaring but I am not a lion but a cheater! I will be back and savage those who impede me and others!
220.MikeL, I remember that post, but not the poster. I am sitting with Roger on being the most certain that Brown will go before the GE, but does not likely right now. But if IIRC, even the couple of days before he bottled the GE I was still convinced he would not call it when everything pointed towards him doing so. And this period in politics right now is very similar.
But if the New Year polls indicate a large defeat for Labour, and with a legacy of Brown being one of our shortest serving PM’s who also never won a leadership contest or a GE. I still think the odds are on him standing down before a GE rather committing himself to a real contest of this kind, if he stays it will be totally against the charactor of the man who doesn’t do political courage.
217.oldnat, its quite an organised operation up my way. With have a few locals with diggers or tractors who just stick a snow plough on their machines and get out to keep the village and surrounding area clear while the big boys hit the main roads around my way.
221.Martin, just keep up that positive attitude and get out there and keep trying. I suspect that someone will see your persistence and reward it with a job for you. Go for it.
nite all.
221 Martin Day
That was a helpful post. I think I’m beginning to understand you now. You sound religious because you are referring to a fundamental belief system that isn’t actually political - simply atavistic tribalism.
“I want the tories in power!” Just like NPMP who wants Labour in power - regardless of whether they implement policies he approves of or not.
Strong similarity with the tribalism of the rural Pashtun v the Northern Alliance in that other multi-national state of Afghanistan.
My tribe is better than your tribe!
223 ChristinaD
Same in Ayrshire. Tractors normally plough and grit the side roads.
222. ChristinaD, it would be good if Mike S could track down that post. I think it was fairly late at night - around 11pm to midnight. It attracted a bit of debate at the time.
I think the cut-off for Brown to go (ie the announcement) is Friday 22 January. Even if the leadership election process is accelerated it will still take at least 5 weeks and probably 6 weeks. The new leader would have to be in place pre Budget and realistically I think it would have to be at least 2 weeks before the Budget.
223. ChristinaD December 24th, 2009 at 1:55 am
Brown bottled a second GE in Q4 2009! Big time, they had preparred for it on a macro level and constitiency level!
You may think i am talking nonsense but Labour were upgrading much of thier electoral infrastructure to go late 2009! Labour wanted a low turnout GE! They were stopped because the tories had been on watch for it! Brown might go in the New year but their are some milsestones he might want to surpass as PM! If they are going down to defeat - his view might be, let him pass a few former PMs length of service! Brown does not care one way or the other - they think they will get 200 seats plus whatever! They are wrong!!!
224. “Strong similarity with the tribalism of the rural Pashtun v the Northern Alliance in that other multi-national state of Afghanistan.”
Afghanistan is a very harsh analogy, Oldnat. If the Taliban put down their arms, and instead pursued their goals through the medium of spoof blogs in which they photoshop pictures of a pig to make it look like Hamid Karzai, the world would be a much happier place.
228 James Kelly
Goodnight all (or at least the few who remain)
225.oldnat, I think that this the answer for down South right now too in the more rural area’s, its a much cheaper way of keeping villages and small towns on the road leaving their big ploughs for tackling the bigger ones. This is the second year in a row that they have been hit by snow like they have not seen for years, and I suspect that there might be a few more years like this too. Its a very expensive buisness for a council not used to this weather on their patch, and it would cover them until we see where we are going with the current weather pattern. I have to say that we are again experiencing more snow and gradually colder temperatures what ever the global warming bar charts say.
226.MikeL, it was a very thought provoking post that raised an option that no one else had suggested. And considering that Brown is such a negative for the Labour party right now, it was a very clever one too in that it might raise Labour’s electoral prospects enough to stop a complete meltdown and get the core vote out. I know that Brown consistently polls a bit better in Scotland, but I believe that is still a Central belt/Fife core vote not reflected anywhere else up here. My money is still on Labour being wiped out everywhere else up here at the next GE. Where the vote goes instead is the tricky question.
227.Martin, I disagreed with Bob Worcester on a high turnout benefiting Labour this time around, he ain’t John Major. I think that people are more motivated to get out and vote through anger or looking for change, New Labour and a toxic Tory party brought us a lot of apathy until the Iraq war came along. People voted for the status quo by not bothering to vote at all. 1992 was different because Kinnock didn’t represent the change that Thatcher, Blair or Cameron did.
Now of to zzzzzzzzzz.
225. oldnat December 24th, 2009 at 2:27 am
I go one better than that - the tribe in power has stopped me going forward for obvious reasons. Indeed i think they stiched me up given my last employers links to Labour and subsequient rejection. I am becoming savage not agianst a tribe but those who dont understand! My tribe will help me, if they dont i will be their worse nightmare!
Indeed I have relatively sat on my hands with Labour or CIS. I think that was politically driven in 2007 as folks on PB knew who i was or rather am! I will be back to destroy them! I can do that, maybe it is what i am best at!
I had no personal reason to leave CIS, yet i was forced out - But as i move closer to the edge, so do those who put me here. You think i will let them get away with it! Wrong!
19 weeks to go to May 6th! Goodnight!
Yes Labour are doomed -DOOMED to defeat!
I am annoyed by those who set me up for poverty! Who they are they only know!
What is worse is that i never rest, I know they stiched me up for all the wrong reasons! It was for political reasons - I never forget: I will be on thier case for life! As i have nothing it does not matter - i will search them out! I am vindictive! I will destroy - I have no mercy! Whether I know them or not I will drive them into the ground. It will be my sole mission in life to destroy! It is what i am best at maybe my sole skill - Destruction of folk! I am coming fot you!!! I am your worst nightmare!
234. Martin, you will soon forget Labour’s crimes if the Tories get in…
Hey Martin, its Christmas. Don’t go scaring the neighbours - relax a bit!
Hey Martin, its Christmas. Don’t go scaring the neighbours - relax a bit!
No Gaz on list… oh well….
calais December 24th, 2009 at 3:12 am
Fair enough!
It is still shit for me!
Though I am not that bad i know of some folks who are benifit cheats and I will not grass them up even though i know. They have mittigating cicumstances.
On the otherhand the reason I was f*cked over by CIS was political - It must have been the way i was taken on, without interview then let go! Crikey I am after thise F*ckers in a way that will not be traced!
Mike,
Your list of top posters does look like a BOYS’CLUB. Where are the girls? Discrimination? Old Boys’network? Would be interesting to know how many regular wimmin are on your lists, and why, though often deeply political, they don’t bet on it.
241
Hi Beth, Its not Mike Smithson’s list, its a list comprised of those contrubutors/lurkers who nominated people on the previous thread’s poll
Welcome to the site if its your first post and Merry Xmas too.
Click on the link
http://politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2009/12/23/the-voting-round-one-choose-the-4-person-short-list/
Hello,
Interesting, did you plan to continue this article?
Truden